League of Worlds

Bring Your Own (OpenSim) Grid: League of Worlds Meeting 10 November 2010

After a late announcements for the meeting, a small but vocal group met on the Second Life island of Terra incognita.

Agenda

• Planning members OpenSim grid tours.
• Sharing content.
• Other business arising from the discussion.

Present
Eloise Rodas
Decka Mah
Rk Jinn
Coyote Longtail

Rk Jinn
Rutgers Blog
moving Rutgers 6 sims to OpenSim
Mostly replica builds and a recreation of future campus as new buildings will change the whole campus
Business School
4 sims moved already
few scripts so fairly easy to move
Used Builders Buddy in both worlds
Used Imprudence export feature
Now primary development
Builders used Ceera Murakami (about 90%) and Keystone Bouchard (Cornerstone building) and DDfox Spitteler
Visit at Livingston 1 (128,128,2)

Eloise  Rodas
Work with Secondary schools
Arts education officer
Partners with Hertfordshire University
First activity was a Summer holiday program of composing music and playing the concert in Second Life

Coyote Longtail
Four Bridges organisation – 2 sims in Second Life
Working with member groups
Veterans for Peace is Coyote’s group
Founder Amy Cross at the University of Maine
Tutor assistance program for university students
Just expanded to a 1/4 sim parcel on OSGird,
Future offices in ReactionGrid, 3Dspot
The 4 bridges are Environmentalism, peace, social justice and human rights
Also using the Hypergrid Adventurers Group by Pathfinder (John Lester) provides good tours across OpenSim grids

Decka Mah
University of Southern Queensland has servers for an OS grid and is about to begin building.

Hypergrid issues and info discussed

• How will students be allowed in some places that guests may not be able to access? (Permissions and authentication)
• Issue that your grid may have different levels of rights and content types and the students may be able to cross out through other people’s grids to material you may find inappropriate
• Limited distance (number of sims apart is 4096) for Hypergrid teleports means that one step jumps between grids is not always possible. How to manage this?
• Version differences of OpenSim grids may cause Hypergrid to not work.

Markets and sources of free terrain files, assets, Inventory Archive files (iar) and OpenSim Archive Files (oar)

• Rexxed http://www.rexxed.com/ (mainly xml files for upload to opensim via meerkat, open for creators to sell their goods)
• Avatar Marketplace http://osgrid.avatarmarketplace.com;
• My Opensim http://myopensim.com/ (mainly designed to serve content to the Myopengrid but does have some full perms stuff)
• ReactionGrid’s Outpost http://outpost.reactiongrid. com/ (more highend tools that everyday shopping – but includes some great stuff)
• SLapt http://slapt.me/ (which is an independent shopping destination for SL primarily, but allows creators to specify their work as ‘for opensim’ as well as in SL
• Total Avatar Shop http://www. totalavatarshop.com/ which will deliver to ReactionGrid or Second Life.
• OpenSimWorlds http://www.opensimworlds.com/ index.php

Some of these sites have freebies but others require payment.

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Whether I do or don’t the process I just went through to get this far is not very intuitive or user-friendly, so I will ask my good friend Mister Kelly to do something about this as soon as he can. Which had better be in about five minutes.

Update

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Introduction

This is a transcript from the first of the Bring Your Own Grid meetings, held in Terra Incognita in Second Life. It began at 10:00 Second Life time. Decka Mah summarised the voice conversation for those present who only had text access.

The Transcript

[10:00] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Zeppo Romano @ 05m
[10:00] Zeppo Romano: Hi Decka
[10:01] Decka Mah: Hi Zeppo
[10:01] Decka Mah: Welcome
[10:01] Zeppo Romano: thank you
[10:01] Decka Mah: are you here for the BYOG meeting?
[10:01] Zeppo Romano: yes
[10:01] Decka Mah: cool
[10:01] Decka Mah: com eand grab a seat
[10:06] MCD Rimless 605 Eyeglasses – Medium: Say ‘/2 help’ for instructions, or touch for menu.
[10:06] Abranimations Female AO Set 6 (cnt): 3% memory free
[10:06] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: MystiTool Controller 1.0: /1 help – Free memory: 4253
[10:06] SLStats.com Wrist Watch v2.5: Hello, Decka Mah. I’m tracking your online time and status for http://slstats.com/.
[10:06] handshake attachment: Usage: Face your target and Say ‘/handshake [person's name]‘
[10:06] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Decka Mah @ 88m
[10:06] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: (Sleep Mode) Exiting sleep mode. All previously sleeping functions have been restored.
[10:06] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Zeppo Romano (4m)
[10:07] Decka Mah: sorry about that
[10:07] Decka Mah: totally crashed
[10:07] Zeppo Romano: no problem
[10:07] Decka Mah: only the second time ever on this new computer
[10:08] Decka Mah: Word and SL don’t seem to like each other
[10:08] Zeppo Romano: I had a lot of crashes when I switched to Phoenix, it seems to be resolved
[10:08] Decka Mah: I just need to send a couple of notices about the meeting
[10:08] Zeppo Romano: sure
[10:08] Decka Mah: if you’d excuse me for a minute
[10:13] Zeppo Romano: afk
[10:16] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Jass Easterman @ 05m
[10:17] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Jass Easterman (19m)
[10:17] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Chico Bertone @ 48m
[10:18] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Chico Bertone (19m)
[10:19] Zeppo Romano: back
[10:19] Zeppo Romano: Hi Chico…Jass
[10:19] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Betz Darwinian @ 05m
[10:20] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Gwenette Writer @ 05m
[10:21] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Betz Darwinian (17m)
[10:21] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Koni Lanzius @ 05m
[10:21] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Gwenette Writer (18m)
[10:21] Decka Mah: Hi Gwenette
[10:21] Zeppo Romano: Hi Gwen
[10:21] Decka Mah: welcome
[10:22] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Koni Lanzius (18m)
[10:22] Decka Mah: Hi Koni
[10:22] Koni Lanzius: Helloo!~
[10:22] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Kittie Ellison (3m)
[10:22] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Kittie Ellison @ 89m
[10:22] Decka Mah: BYOG meeting so join us
[10:22] Gwenette Writer: aloha all:)
[10:22] Koni Lanzius: thanks
[10:22] Decka Mah: Hi Kittie welcome
[10:22] Betz Darwinian: this is difficult for universities that purchase things with many different avatars
[10:23] Gwenette Writer: advantage of an odd rel life name haha
[10:23] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: alan Passerine (3m)
[10:23] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: alan Passerine @ 89m
[10:23] Decka Mah: anyone not have voice?
[10:23] Koni Lanzius: i dont have it set up
[10:23] Koni Lanzius: i can hear you all tho
[10:23] Decka Mah: Welcome Alan
[10:24] alan Passerine: hi decka
[10:24] Decka Mah: grab a seat
[10:25] Koni Lanzius: ㋡
[10:25] Koni Lanzius: ㋡
[10:25] alan Passerine: open sim runs off of a command prompt?
[10:26] alan Passerine: is it difficult to use?
[10:26] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Joe Cupola @ 05m
[10:26] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Joe Cupola stayed 1 minutes.
[10:27] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Joe Cupola @ 05m
[10:28] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Joe Cupola (18m)
[10:28] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Ju Roussel @ 05m
[10:29] Decka Mah: HI Joe
[10:29] Decka Mah: welcome to the BYOG
[10:29] Decka Mah: grab a seat
[10:29] Jass Easterman: not yet
[10:29] Gwenette Writer: nada
[10:29] alan Passerine: no
[10:29] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Alpha Yootz @ 05m
[10:29] Jass Easterman: no – going to rent
[10:29] Decka Mah: I have one on my PC for learning and intend to run one at our university
[10:29] Gwenette Writer: will be on my own gear just to learn and soon with a team that will have
[10:30] Betz Darwinian: not yet , but with ut systems at the ut brownsvilee and we are investigating options
[10:30] Betz Darwinian: we will probably move as a group
[10:30] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Ju Roussel (15m)
[10:30] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Alpha Yootz (15m)
[10:30] Decka Mah: Welcome Alpha
[10:31] Decka Mah: Welcome Ju
[10:31] Decka Mah: grab a seat
[10:31] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Kavon Zenovka @ 05m
[10:31] Ju Roussel: Hi! Thank you Decka!
[10:31] Alpha Yootz: Hi everyone — Kay McLennan here in an alt named Alpha
[10:31] alan Passerine: ive been to spoton3d
[10:31] Gwenette Writer: Pathfinder Adventure Club
[10:31] Decka Mah: http://becunningandfulloftricks.com/hypergrid-adventurers-club/
[10:31] Decka Mah: he changed the time too
[10:31] Zeppo Romano: pathfinder was showing this off an hour ago in jokaydiaGrid
[10:31] Jass Easterman: like I should be
[10:32] Decka Mah: they intend to keep doing it
[10:32] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Kavon Zenovka stayed 2 minutes.
[10:32] Decka Mah: anyone NOT got voice?
[10:32] Joe Cupola: i do not have voice
[10:32] Ju Roussel can hear, can’t speak
[10:32] Decka Mah: Can you hear though Joe?
[10:32] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Maxwell Biddle @ 05m
[10:33] Joe Cupola: was it different visually than the typical tp?
[10:34] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Maxwell Biddle (2m)
[10:34] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Vladimir Dunner (15m)
[10:34] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Vladimir Dunner @ 78m
[10:34] Decka Mah: welcome Maxwell
[10:34] Decka Mah: grab a seat
[10:34] Maxwell Biddle: Hello …
[10:35] Joe Cupola: i can hear
[10:35] Decka Mah: hi Vladgrab info
[10:35] Vladimir Dunner: Hello all.
[10:36] Ju Roussel: And the addresses have recently changed – so hyperica database is being updated…
[10:36] Jass Easterman: that wouldn’t be good
[10:36] alan Passerine: yes
[10:36] Zeppo Romano: yes
[10:36] Decka Mah: yes we hear
[10:36] Joe Cupola: you sound great
[10:36] Maxwell Biddle: Err, are you using voice chat?
[10:36] Gwenette Writer: List of hypergridded regions/worlds from HYPERGRID BUSINESS site: http://www.hyperica.com/
[10:36] Decka Mah: Maxwell yes we are but I can transcribe if you ahve no voice
[10:36] Koni Lanzius: sry was afk
[10:37] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Eloise Rodas @ 47m
[10:37] Maxwell Biddle: Thanks … I can’t use it right now … and, if I may, I’d like to share it with the ACRL Virtual Worlds SIG …
[10:38] Vladimir Dunner: Where is the info?
[10:38] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Eloise Rodas (19m)
[10:38] Ju Roussel: http://www.hyperica.com/
[10:38] Zeppo Romano: that may come with standardization
[10:38] Decka Mah: people discussing how to hypergrid
[10:38] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Professor Noarlunga (7m)
[10:39] Decka Mah: how the teleports work
[10:39] Decka Mah: and how this will mature with standardisation in the process by users
[10:39] Ju Roussel: open source!
[10:39] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Ellie Brewster (17m)
[10:39] Decka Mah: Hio Prof welcome grab a seat
[10:39] Professor Noarlunga: Hi all!
[10:39] Gwenette Writer: Wanted to amke sure you all see this article re Walsh’s efforts re: education grid: http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2010/10/initiative-free-land-for-educators-migrating-from-second-life/
[10:39] Decka Mah: welcome Ellie
[10:39] Ellie Brewster: hi everyone, rezzing.
[10:40] Decka Mah: \Chico mentioning that users help design conceptual developments even if not the code
[10:40] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Kavon Zenovka (10m)
[10:41] Decka Mah: yes
[10:41] Decka Mah: I will transcribe a summary
[10:41] Decka Mah: Prof Noralinga is describing the NZ grid of 5 universities
[10:41] Maxwell Biddle says “A VERY big Thank you to Decka!”
[10:42] Decka Mah: small enough country to talk to each other in New Zealand
[10:42] Decka Mah: Prf Noralunga = Scott Diener at Uni of Auckland
[10:42] Decka Mah: 4 island sin SL now
[10:42] Decka Mah: architecture mostly
[10:42] Decka Mah: 150 students
[10:43] Decka Mah: Opensim started with Otago and Cantabury Universities getting a grant
[10:43] Decka Mah: for a grid of sorts
[10:43] Decka Mah: eahc had a share ddatabase and really not independent
[10:43] Decka Mah: and so one down all down
[10:43] Gwenette Writer: HOW TO & What Problems Mean w/Solutions: http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2010/01/how-to-hypergrid/
[10:43] Decka Mah: Auckland joined and decided they would have separate stand alone installations
[10:43] Decka Mah: and hypergrid
[10:44] Decka Mah: not so hard
[10:44] Decka Mah: recommends the turnkey setup from ReactionGrid
[10:44] Decka Mah: harder questions are not install but poliy
[10:44] Decka Mah: policy
[10:44] Decka Mah: lose identity information crossing grids
[10:44] Decka Mah: if going to pull in school kids, need policy and identity info
[10:45] Decka Mah: number of schools hypergridded
[10:45] Maxwell Biddle: Policy is ALWAYS the real problem …
[10:45] Decka Mah: (aside ooo a new verb form the noun)
[10:45] Alpha Yootz: The ReactionGrid 4 island educator package = $942 per year. I just took delivery on our RG region and so far I couldn’t be more pleased with the set-up.
[10:45] Decka Mah: hiogh school project of building
[10:45] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Rosa Martino (3m)
[10:45] Decka Mah: project of putting ht eHavok engine in OS
[10:45] Decka Mah: Havok engine available free of charge to non profits and eduation
[10:45] Decka Mah: harder to interface than expected
[10:46] Decka Mah: Question from Chico…is hypergrid done from the RG or your sim
[10:46] Decka Mah: Hypergid basically linking servers
[10:47] Decka Mah: Pf N – if renting in RG you just add a Hypergrid TP
[10:47] Decka Mah: issue no way to identify people as they come through the “Hypergate”
[10:47] Decka Mah: have to trust
[10:47] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Eloise Rodas (8m)
[10:47] Ju Roussel: You have a right to turn hypergrid on/off yourself. Is it instant? Or does it take time to propagate?
[10:47] Decka Mah: if the arriving grid says they aok but you can’t tell who they are
[10:47] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Alpha Yootz (4m)
[10:48] Decka Mah: issue is you don’t know who they are if you ahve kids around
[10:48] Decka Mah: if you rent regions, then that provider must have allow hypergrid for you at least if no t the whole grid
[10:48] Decka Mah: Chico- issue, the longer the chain the less you know about who is coming onto your grid
[10:49] Decka Mah: WELCOME ALL GRAB A SEAT
[10:49] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Coyote Longfall (3m)
[10:49] Decka Mah: I AM TRANSCRIBING SUMMARIES FOR NO VOICE PEOPLE
[10:49] Maxwell Biddle: So would you be able to have the granularity of control via Group restriction?
[10:49] Decka Mah: the point of hypergriding is to create diversity
[10:49] Decka Mah: Alpha just taken delivery
[10:50] Decka Mah: she understood she can toggle the hypergrid on and off
[10:50] Decka Mah: can open grid for general times and lock it off when in use or busy
[10:50] Decka Mah: Prof N agrees that is possible
[10:50] Maxwell Biddle: Hmmm … guess one question would be at what point i the “chain” do you want to control the access … ?
[10:50] Ellie Brewster: you can also set it to admit certain individuals only
[10:51] Decka Mah: Hypergrid has to be set up to be available
[10:51] Decka Mah: Coyote feel free to join us at the table
[10:51] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Coyote Longfall (0m)
[10:51] Decka Mah: Welcome Eloise
[10:51] Decka Mah: Hypergrid is just a toggle
[10:52] Decka Mah: Question to consider if we intend to set up a wide community of hypergrid conencted distributed metaverse of OS grids
[10:52] Maxwell Biddle: Good point Chico … but what about the IP issues of this shared content?
[10:52] Koni Lanzius: that sounds great
[10:52] Decka Mah: Chico continues to mention concern about using OS is where to get content and can we in a future share content and an economy
[10:53] Maxwell Biddle:
[10:53] Maxwell Biddle: (I AM an archivist after all…)
[10:53] Maxwell Biddle: That’s a great start!
[10:53] Maxwell Biddle: lol … no, it WILL get stolen … count on it …
[10:53] Decka Mah: Chico suggests a non technical solution with a notecard in content that won’t stop stealing but licence is cleared
[10:53] Maxwell Biddle hands Chico a lupara …
[10:53] Decka Mah: clearer
[10:53] Maxwell Biddle: YEs, and the LL approach does NOT work!
[10:54] Maxwell Biddle: IT also leads to loss of content ….
[10:54] Koni Lanzius: can’t you just set permissions like merchants do?
[10:54] Kavon Zenovka: no – but I think maybe just starting to do that would be a useful practice.
[10:54] Gwenette Writer: Open sim content markeptplaces that sell content for use on ALL open sim grids that AHVE licenses attached (usually): http://myopensim.com/ http://osgrid.avatarmarketplace.com/ http://members.avatarmarketplace.com/ there are a few more I think . . . .
[10:54] Maxwell Biddle: No, there is a problem with the waythe “Creator” flag works …
[10:55] Maxwell Biddle:
[10:56] alan Passerine: lol
[10:56] Decka Mah: links to opensim markets
[10:56] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Ju Roussel (4m)
[10:56] Decka Mah: discussion around currency
[10:56] Maxwell Biddle: Great! Thanks Decka…
[10:56] alan Passerine: scuse me, i have another meeting. will have to go.
[10:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Joe Cupola (4m)
[10:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Professor Noarlunga (3m)
[10:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Ju Roussel (4m)
[10:57] Decka Mah: Chico giving a history of the league words
[10:57] Coyote Longfall: as an aside on markets – this is useful: https://www.virwox.com/
[10:57] Decka Mah: started in 2004 as a loose group who moaned about the VW discussion wasn’t on the agenda
[10:57] Decka Mah: so they formed a group
[10:58] Decka Mah: League fo Worlds
[10:58] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Professor Noarlunga (2m)
[10:58] Decka Mah: made a conference / symposium
[10:58] Decka Mah: had 5 of these
[10:58] Ju Roussel: this week’s news from PayPal make it look much easier.
[10:58] Decka Mah: no meeting last year as VW were on agenda of all ed conferences
[10:58] Decka Mah: but a core group of 20 perople continued to have online work together and online conversations
[10:59] Decka Mah: Decka and Chico were 2 of them
[10:59] Decka Mah: and Clemson guy too
[10:59] Decka Mah: started talking about open sim and then price rise
[11:00] Decka Mah: realised that the “League” was about community but now with all getting opensim we could become a genuine league sharing our worlds
[11:00] Decka Mah: including research recources and ideas and objecets
[11:00] Decka Mah: interest in learning about pedagogy of what is different from f2f or other online tech
[11:01] Decka Mah: not occasionally sharing at conference but a joint virtual lab (the hypergridded opensims we own)
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Ju Roussel (4m)
[11:01] Decka Mah: we can see others even if we profoundly disagree with what they are doing
[11:01] Decka Mah: community of inquiry
[11:02] Decka Mah: would like to have meetings in differnet opensim grids and hear what people are doing
[11:02] Decka Mah: Chico continues
[11:02] Jass Easterman: I think that is important to keep these conversations going
[11:02] Decka Mah: would see this as A league NOT “the” league
[11:02] Maxwell Biddle: Sounds great!
[11:03] Decka Mah: so not the one place but connections so the members can do stuff together
[11:03] Jass Easterman: yes
[11:03] Ellie Brewster: This sounds exciting to me.
[11:03] Decka Mah: informal joint adventuyre
[11:03] Koni Lanzius: that sounds great
[11:03] Decka Mah: no institution binding agreements etc
[11:03] Maxwell Biddle: There miught be SOME underlying agreements … to ensure interoperability …
[11:03] Decka Mah: toggle in hypergrid allows you to do this without some huge partnership agreement at high level
[11:04] Decka Mah: just a group of us learning together
[11:04] Decka Mah: May need some underlying agreements
[11:04] Alpha Yootz: The notion of keeping the educational community together — to share — is of keen interest. Also, we need to migrate the community to a different non LL list serve.
[11:04] Maxwell Biddle: YES!
[11:04] Decka Mah: (is still transcribing Chico’s words)
[11:04] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Oronoque Westland (6m)
[11:04] Maxwell Biddle: .. .organically evoleved!
[11:04] Maxwell Biddle: Err, *evolved
[11:04] Decka Mah: what si shared could be someone’s research or just be group knowledge
[11:05] Maxwell Biddle: My research area is concerned with the longevity of what is being created … so there has to be interoperability
[11:05] Oronoque Westland: hello
[11:05] Ellie Brewster: But people arent really chatting much yet.
[11:05] Maxwell Biddle: Yes, the VWER group is pretty active
[11:05] Decka Mah: many have migrated to the educause vwer listserve from SLED as it is not SL only
[11:05] Ellie Brewster: me, actually
[11:05] Decka Mah: Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable
[11:05] Kavon Zenovka: I agree I rely more on twitter now
[11:05] Ellie Brewster: yw
[11:05] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Gwenette Writer (2m)
[11:06] Ellie Brewster: Sad, though, that Sled is now so quiet
[11:06] Decka Mah: http://www.vwer.org/
[11:06] Alpha Yootz: Yes, I am on the Educause list serve and the OpenSim list serve too. Also, as an aside, I was delighted to see the OpenSim has some of the same drama as the SLED! (smile)
[11:06] Decka Mah: Gwenette as a developer sees a failure of SL is the failure to adopt sharing so sees reinvention of the wheel
[11:06] Maxwell Biddle: Wagon Trains?
[11:06] Maxwell Biddle: I’m not even sure we have the horses …lol
[11:06] Coyote Longfall: this is the frontier…
[11:06] Decka Mah: Continues so many orientation cnetres all over and hopes this is the beginning of sharing
[11:07] Ellie Brewster: Perhaps that’s what’s going to impress our home institutions – an orgaization of educators
[11:07] Decka Mah: Gwenette says it is like still hanging out in wagon trains and we should be in outer space by now
[11:07] Maxwell Biddle: As many at the table are not from the US, how many of you have records management requirements for your activities in here?
[11:07] Decka Mah: and that it is hard to grasp for the beginners and still deal with lockdown and walled gardens
[11:07] Maxwell Biddle: I.e., reportability requirements?
[11:08] Decka Mah: G says we need an FAQ
[11:08] Decka Mah: eeep !!!
[11:08] Decka Mah: how can those grids that steal stuff from inventory be managed to meet the tech needs and the fears of admin
[11:09] Decka Mah: G also suggested a place where these answrs could exist
[11:09] Gwenette Writer: I agree sighs ahaha
[11:09] Decka Mah: I suggest a wiki on LOW website
[11:09] Coyote Longfall: I keep hard-drive backups of my inventory – and feel very strongly that open-source information sharing is the key to understanding the future
[11:09] Maxwell Biddle: Good point Coyote …
[11:09] Maxwell Biddle: A Best Practice approach …
[11:09] Decka Mah: Chico says becasue OS has backup and SL doesn’t, we can recover from crisis and theft
[11:10] Coyote Longfall: the whole concept of intellectual property will change radically within just a few years
[11:10] Maxwell Biddle: And Word Press has been bad about us being able to do that! We’re finally able to do that …
[11:10] Decka Mah: Chico – control of what we make and do in terms of having the control over baskup and copying our own content
[11:10] Ju Roussel: How much do you rely on your institution’s IT support, once you run it yourself?
[11:10] Maxwell Biddle: (Coyote, I”m not so sanguine about how quickly it will change … but it WILL change!)
[11:11] Coyote Longfall: agreed Maxwell
[11:11] Decka Mah: Prf N says this is important and that teleport is just like hypergrid as in it = move to another server but this time not owned by Linden but owned by the grid owner
[11:11] Decka Mah: says it will soon become invisible
[11:11] Decka Mah: you won’t see whose server youa re on
[11:12] Gwenette Writer: third party storage and access giving servers I will PAY for a secure one that backs up for me
[11:12] Decka Mah: Decka adds …the metaverse not a single world
[11:12] Maxwell Biddle: … the musician in me loves this idea!
[11:12] Gwenette Writer: yes!! ahahha speeeeeeed
[11:12] Decka Mah: Prfo N loves combining regiosn into megaregions and no gaps at sim corssing
[11:13] Decka Mah: Prof N thinks through his crysat ball that this will become as gigantic as SL if not bigger
[11:13] Decka Mah: and collaboration will develop
[11:13] Decka Mah: and communities of practice will grow
[11:13] Decka Mah: Chico the benefit of this organisation is for finding each other in these early days
[11:14] Decka Mah: Prof N issue to face, if we set up organisations that have rules and boundaries, how could we litigate problems…this is impossible
[11:14] Alpha Yootz: I am more interested in a directory of educational and non profit entities in Open Sim and networking.
[11:14] Decka Mah: P{rf N – could have people with a thumb drive for temporary regions
[11:14] Decka Mah: Chico adds a cautionary tale…
[11:14] Ellie Brewster: yes
[11:14] Decka Mah: for people in SL long time …
[11:14] Maxwell Biddle:
[11:15] Decka Mah: Altenburg (sp?) tried tos et up a country with governance in SL
[11:15] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: HVX Silverstar (4m)
[11:15] Maxwell Biddle: Neualtenburg …
[11:15] Alpha Yootz: That is, I am interested in an organization to network and categorize resources and assets.
[11:15] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Coyote Longfall (3m)
[11:15] HVX Silverstar: sorry to be late
[11:15] Decka Mah: what happened was it beacme a leaglistic arguement around the constitution and it imploded
[11:15] Decka Mah: welcome HVX
[11:15] Decka Mah: I am summarising in text for non audio
[11:16] Ellie Brewster: anarchy
[11:16] Maxwell Biddle: Oh dear, I HOPE not!
[11:16] Decka Mah: Prof N jokes about real governemnts LOL
[11:16] Ellie Brewster: Orwell would be proud. I’m all for anarchy, myself
[11:16] Coyote Longfall: the reality is that groups in SL are duplicating that all the time, an SL social group that I’m a part of – Hobo Junction functions very much as an Athenian Democracy, and is now establshing footholds in other grids
[11:16] Maxwell Biddle: I like to tell people I’m an anarchivist …
[11:17] Decka Mah: Prof N says it is like early years of SL and deciding factor for successful collaboration in education is that the creative people make it open source or creative commons
[11:17] Coyote Longfall: it’s an organic process
[11:17] Decka Mah: big repositories needed
[11:17] Decka Mah: need to solve physic engine
[11:17] Ellie Brewster: anarchivist )
[11:17] Decka Mah: need commerce
[11:17] Maxwell Biddle: C’est moi!
[11:17] Coyote Longfall: Virtual Exchange
[11:17] Coyote Longfall: https://www.virwox.com/
[11:17] Decka Mah: to make it worth people’s time to make stuff
[11:17] Ellie Brewster: Professorial swap meets
[11:18] Decka Mah: take s a lot of generosity
[11:18] Decka Mah: Alpha question about protecting content
[11:18] Decka Mah: she was interested in animals and sounds but developers don’t want to put stuff out in opensim
[11:19] Decka Mah: Imrudence and other viewers only allow owner and buider permisssion copying
[11:19] Decka Mah: Alpah asks has this been dealt with in pensim
[11:19] Koni Lanzius: meerkat allows full perm copying
[11:19] Decka Mah: Prof N says you can set permissions to no copy
[11:20] Decka Mah: but he says it is impossible to protect IP in thsi environment
[11:20] Coyote Longfall: copybotting is widespread and hackers can easily bypass permissions
[11:20] Coyote Longfall: even in SL
[11:20] HVX Silverstar: so cool!
[11:20] Koni Lanzius: hehehe
[11:21] Decka Mah: Gwenette sasy immense amount of money made by vendors who supply the demand for non builders and she BUILDS FOR FREE
[11:21] Zeppo Romano: I have an Ostrich
[11:21] Ju Roussel: Mesh for animals?
[11:21] Ellie Brewster: And I have a ton of textures that are useful for teaching, but nobody would want to resell
[11:21] Maxwell Biddle: hehe … these Louisianans …
[11:21] Decka Mah: EVERYONE needs a horse
[11:21] Decka Mah: LOL
[11:21] Coyote Longfall: getting there
[11:22] HVX Silverstar: we need to teach each other how to build and become the place where people will come because of the wealth of creative commons content…
[11:22] Decka Mah: welcome robwag grab a seat
[11:22] Decka Mah: if seats work for lizards
[11:22] Decka Mah: or just slither on over close
[11:22] robwag Soothsayer:
[11:22] Coyote Longfall: 0.7 supposedly supports it, so OSGrid will likely have it available soon
[11:22] Koni Lanzius: isnt that for open cobalt?
[11:22] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Pooky Amsterdam (3m)
[11:22] Decka Mah: join us Pooky
[11:23] Pooky Amsterdam: thank you
[11:23] Koni Lanzius: i recall being able to bring google stuff into open cobalt
[11:23] Ju Roussel: not everything will be successfully imported from sketchup or created by other software… not all mesh transfers, also “prim-heavy”
[11:23] Chico Bertone: One of the things that is important for our university is to find people who want to work jointly
[11:23] Chico Bertone: on research: does what works for us work in other places?
[11:23] Alpha Yootz: Here is the link to the Google Sketch-Up Warehouse http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/. In turn, I do not know what is Creative Commons (?)/
[11:24] Chico Bertone: We don’t want to build the chairs, orientation areas or the pedagogical wheel.
[11:24] Chico Bertone: How do we teach here?
[11:24] Ju Roussel: I love Gwenette’s idea of building by demand! I’d take the challenge too (to build)
[11:24] Chico Bertone: What educational philosophies are people using & developing?
[11:24] Ellie Brewster: Educator BARN RAISINGS!!
[11:24] Pooky Amsterdam: you can also have a competition – sometimes that does give great content and generates interest
[11:24] HVX Silverstar: yes…
[11:24] Koni Lanzius: hehehe
[11:24] Chico Bertone: When we have staff wanting to use SL where can they find what others have done before them?
[11:24] HVX Silverstar: social building
[11:24] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Marie Kolache (1m)
[11:25] Chico Bertone: That can mean shatring policies so people feel safe, but there are also a lot of things to share pedagoicially
[11:25] Koni Lanzius: true
[11:25] Maxwell Biddle: One area where we need improvement is the whole “Search” mechanism
[11:25] Chico Bertone: And that might make applying for grants easier
[11:25] Ju Roussel: Welcome to Hypergrid Person #1 Maria
[11:25] HVX Silverstar: Is it all right if I film the session… I can share it with everyone if that’s all right…
[11:25] Maxwell Biddle: in re Grants: sustainability is a key question these days…
[11:25] Decka Mah: Gwenette working with state og georgia university wuith a 16 sim grid for school age students
[11:25] Chico Bertone: The state of Georgia are working in this way, and working with educators in China toshare research.
[11:26] Ellie Brewster: @Maxwell – what about that Educause group that Jonathan Richter keeps tlaking about?
[11:26] Chico Bertone: ALright with me HVX!
[11:26] Gwenette Writer: this is a private walled garden grid re: young children
[11:26] Koni Lanzius: me too!
[11:26] Maxwell Biddle: Haven’t looked at it yet …
[11:27] Decka Mah: Gwenette likes the hypergridding for temporary visits when kids are not in the walled garden and you can go as yourself
[11:27] Marie Kolache: hi folks, sorry i’m late…
[11:27] Decka Mah nods
[11:27] HVX Silverstar: good… I started recording when i arrived at 11:15.. so it will be for part of it… and will put it on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/hvxsilverstar
[11:27] Marie Kolache: you can also turn hypergrid on and off when you need to
[11:28] Decka Mah: Prof N says you can also copy the whole thing and have a walled version and a public version
[11:28] Decka Mah: That is the Miocrosfot money ?
[11:28] HVX Silverstar: thanks
[11:28] Professor Noarlunga: http://educause.informz.net/z/cjUucD9taT0xMDg3NjQzJnA9MSZ1PTEwMDAwMjc1MTcmbGk9NDQ2NjQzMg/index.html
[11:28] Kavon Zenovka: and the deeper learning portion really relates to what we do here
[11:28] Decka Mah: Prof N mentioning grants
[11:28] Marie Kolache: another options is to have hypergrid enabled just for part of your grid — have public areas where outsiders can visit — and have the rest rstricted to just the grid’s registered users
[11:28] Decka Mah: sorry my bad… that is Bill and Melinda Gates Fondation
[11:28] Kavon Zenovka: Actually it was nice to see virtual worlds and immersive environments in there
[11:28] Maxwell Biddle: Heh … it’s still Micro$$oft … just not as virulent …
[11:29] Koni Lanzius: sounds promising
[11:29] Decka Mah: hands to Chico for info about the website but he is actually making the group for us to join in SL
[11:29] Koni Lanzius: yes!
[11:29] Jass Easterman: good idea
[11:29] Maxwell Biddle: BRavo!
[11:29] Koni Lanzius: that sounds great
[11:29] Zeppo Romano: super idea
[11:30] Decka Mah: League of Worlds OpenSim Group and will invite us to join before we leave
[11:30] Maxwell Biddle: and if we can link it out to a Google group?
[11:30] Decka Mah: Maxwell, Chico is hosting a site already
[11:31] Gwenette Writer: Chico can you possibly use a Subscription group, such as Subscrib=o=matic?? as well as sl group??
[11:31] Chico Bertone: www.leagueofworlds.com
[11:31] Marie Kolache: sounds great — i’d love to do a piece on it. (This is Maria Korolov from Hypergrid Business)
[11:31] Koni Lanzius: thank you!
[11:31] Maxwell Biddle: Done. Thanks, Decka…
[11:31] Koni Lanzius: hehehe
[11:32] Decka Mah: wOOt thanks Maria
[11:32] Decka Mah thanks Maria for all the great stuff on her site
[11:32] Professor Noarlunga: the Educause consituent group has also set up a preliminary site…www.virtualworldgrid.org
[11:33] Marie Kolache: decka — i was late getting here because of Pathfinder’s grid hopping adventure… and he was just hired by ReactionGrid to do their community outreach
[11:33] HVX Silverstar: OSgrid: Library Studios
[11:33] Koni Lanzius: is the open sim grid available now?
[11:33] Marie Kolache: mine is at: grid.trombly.com:9019 (HG 1.5, upper regions)
[11:33] HVX Silverstar: hosted through Dreamcast Metaverse – Bernadette Daly Swanson (UC Davis)
[11:33] Professor Noarlunga: <--Scott Diener, Univ of Auckland. s.diener@auckland.ac.nz
[11:33] Jass Easterman: Sue Gregory, UNE, Australia, don't have OpenSim yet - ready to purchase though
[11:33] Decka Mah invitred people to put their grid names and connection info into chat
[11:33] Ellie Brewster: Sharon Collikngwood, Ohio State, Women's Studies, our SL sim is Minerva elliebrewster@gmail.com
[11:33] Oronoque Westland: I am on JoykadiaGrid and have hypergridded (?) with Pathfinder and actually found my way back home lol
[11:34] Alpha Yootz: Our Tulane SCS Metaverse (hosted by ReactionGrid) is not available yet but should be soon. More to come...
[11:34] Zeppo Romano: Bill Shields - Illinois State University
[11:34] Jass Easterman: sue.gregory@une.edu.au (Univeristy of New England)
[11:34] Koni Lanzius: Rocket World, Glendale Community College
[11:34] Marie Kolache: at hyperica.com, we list 50+ grids and around 300 hypergrid destinations...
[11:34] Pooky Amsterdam: Pooky Amsterdam , PookyMedia
[11:34] Maxwell Biddle: Dennis Moser, University of Wyoming (aka AldoManutio aburzzo in here ... )...institution has no formal presence yet.
[11:34] Decka Mah: is from the University of Southern Queensland and has a grid on my PC to learn (Diva Distro) and servers ordered torun a grid at University of Southern Queensland in 2011
[11:34] Professor Noarlunga: yes, a great list too!
[11:34] Kavon Zenovka: Kae Novak On Jokaydia grid at Center4EduPunx and Front Range Community College
[11:34] Professor Noarlunga: Hyperica.com
[11:34] Marie Kolache: but all the addresses changed in the last few days -- wee're working through them... and hundreds of new destinations have been added, so we'll be expanding the directory by a factor of ten in the next month or so
[11:34] Maxwell Biddle: Err, *Abruzzo ... can't type my own ava's name
[11:34] Alpha Yootz: Forget to mention, I am Kay McLennan (kmclenna@tulane.edu) @ the Tulane SCS Metaverse region.
[11:34] Coyote Longfall: I work with a group here in SL, Four Bridges, and coordinate inworld for Veterans For Peace. My name's David Wiley, and I'm doing research for Four Bridges. 4B is looking to expand out to the hypergrid, and we have established a presence on several grids.
[11:34] Decka Mah: blogging at http://adfi.usq.edu.au/virtualworlds/blog/
[11:34] HVX Silverstar: On the video, let me know if you want me to cut out your real names and your email addresses.... thanks, ben (hvx silverstar)
[11:35] Marie Kolache: with HG 1.5, hypergrid addresses are much nicer!
[11:35] Maxwell Biddle: HVX, it's just free press for me! lol
[11:35] Oronoque Westland: @Decka, would like to hear more about Diva Distro
[11:35] Decka Mah: wow Coyote that sounds like a cool project
[11:35] Rk Jinn: Rick Anderson, Rutgers University working on automatic account creation. We have a test grdi running the latest OpemSim with Mesh, but I have to create accounts manually.
[11:35] Coyote Longfall:
[11:35] Marie Kolache: Diva Distro is an easy-to-setup mini-grid -- four regions in a mega region, with a starting inventory, too
[11:36] Marie Kolache: no border crossings
[11:36] Marie Kolache: and comes with an upgrade utility
[11:36] Oronoque Westland: can you use it to set up on a USB?
[11:36] Marie Kolache: so when new versions of opensim come out, easy to upgrade
[11:36] Alpha Yootz: As an aside, I have found the past few weeks (post the educator price increase announcement) to be both interesting and exciting!
[11:36] Gwenette Writer: aloha Rick:)
[11:36] Marie Kolache: yes, most USBs have the diva distro
[11:36] Rk Jinn: I like the Diva Distro alot, and have good sucess testing with it.
[11:36] Oronoque Westland: great, thanks
[11:36] Maxwell Biddle: What platforms is Diva Distro on?
[11:36] Marie Kolache: i had my kid set it up for me at home, on linux. can also run on windows.
[11:36] Decka Mah: http://github.com/diva/diva-distribution/downloads
[11:36] Marie Kolache: i also have a version running on teh amazon cloud
[11:36] Rk Jinn: aloha Gwenette
[11:37] Maxwell Biddle: Marie, seriously?
[11:37] Gwenette Writer: I have seen the thumb drive setup for a virtual world that is YOU only but good for developing . . . will look for link
[11:37] Oronoque Westland: Pathfinder suggests using a USB set up four building and then bringing stuff on to a bigger grid if you want
[11:37] Decka Mah: Chico is handing out group invites
[11:37] Ju Roussel: That amazon S3 is really tempting!
[11:37] Rk Jinn: Same here. I like it quite bit. You can clone worlds, and machines.
[11:37] Oronoque Westland: for* building, heehee bot four
[11:37] Marie Kolache: you can run a hypergridded grid on a USB, if you can figure out how to forward the ports through your router
[11:37] Ellie Brewster: The League of Worlds Website looks really useful.
[11:37] HVX Silverstar: thanks
[11:37] Maxwell Biddle: USB="Portable Worlds..."
[11:37] Maxwell Biddle:
[11:38] Ellie Brewster: not me
[11:38] Decka Mah: if you haven't got an invite then you can't be found on the people picker
[11:38] Koni Lanzius: could you resend to me please?
[11:38] Joe Cupola: nor did i
[11:38] Ju Roussel: it's my too short 1st name...
[11:38] Coyote Longfall: me as well
[11:38] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: (Sleep Mode) AV Scanner range reduced to 20 meters, scanning every 10 seconds.
[11:38] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: (Sleep Mode) AV chat range notification is now OFF.
[11:38] MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: (Sleep Mode) All non-essential features have been temporarily disabled.
[11:38] Joe Cupola: some lag for me
[11:38] Joe Cupola: perhaps is coming
[11:38] Professor Noarlunga: neither I
[11:38] Koni Lanzius: i had to clear my groups a bit
[11:38] Coyote Longfall: wait let me delete agroup
[11:38] Ju Roussel: can you open the group for a short moment?
[11:38] Oronoque Westland: please invite Oronoque Yarrowroot, not me
[11:39] Maxwell Biddle: I just hit my limit ...
[11:39] Ellie Brewster: srue
[11:39] Ellie Brewster: *sure
[11:39] Zeppo Romano: sure
[11:39] Kavon Zenovka: yes
[11:39] Gwenette Writer: yes to pix
[11:39] Rosa Martino: Yes
[11:39] Jass Easterman: that's fine
[11:39] Koni Lanzius: i am ok with it
[11:39] Joe Cupola: sure
[11:39] Maxwell Biddle: NP here ... share it!
[11:39] Alpha Yootz: Yes
[11:39] Professor Noarlunga: let me do my hair first
[11:39] Decka Mah: everyone ok with a phot going on a blogg?
[11:39] HVX Silverstar: and a video going on YouTube or blip.tv?
[11:39] Oronoque Westland: for HVX, anything!
[11:39] Rk Jinn: ok
[11:39] Ellie Brewster: yes
[11:39] Ju Roussel: ah it is open. I just joined myself.
[11:39] Kavon Zenovka: ik
[11:39] HVX Silverstar: I can cut you out or your email.. if there are emails or names you don't want...
[11:39] HVX Silverstar: just IM me
[11:39] Pooky Amsterdam: i dont have one
[11:39] Rosa Martino: I haven't
[11:40] Joe Cupola: got it
[11:40] Jass Easterman: sorry, just trying to work out which group to get rid of
[11:40] Vladimir Dunner: There is an Imersive Ed developers group that meets weekly to advance Education Grid interests: http://immersiveeducation.org/forums/ There are several working groups that may be of interest, and you can join at that site.hat site.
[11:40] Pooky Amsterdam: thank you
[11:40] Koni Lanzius: me please
[11:40] Decka Mah: checkign everyone got a group invite
[11:40] Decka Mah: ping Chico
[11:40] Vladimir Dunner: I do not have one: jeromey@bc.edu
[11:40] Joe Cupola: who was taking photos...I have some i can send you too
[11:40] Gwenette Writer: Aloha Pooky!
[11:40] Koni Lanzius: i had to clear space, sry
[11:40] Pooky Amsterdam: S'-p Ahoy!
[11:40] Koni Lanzius: Ahahaha! XD
[11:40] Koni Lanzius: thank you!
[11:41] Rosa Martino: Me too!
[11:41] Jass Easterman: how do you leave a group in Viewer 2 - sorry haven't done this before and it doesn't seem as easy
[11:41] Coyote Longfall: can we all make a commitment to advocate for the support more than 25 groups on any grid where we have management input?
[11:41] Kavon Zenovka: @ Coyote amen
[11:41] Marie Kolache: http://www.hypergridbusiness.com, http://www.hyperica.com
[11:41] Maxwell Biddle: I'm putting my research up on academia.edu ... under my real name.
[11:41] Rosa Martino: Thanks
[11:41] Ellie Brewster: http://people.cohums.ohio-state.edu/collingwood7/minerva/events.html
[11:42] Maxwell Biddle: It's in my profile ...
[11:42] Koni Lanzius: well, my builds and other social stuff are at http://clantz.blip.tv
[11:42] Maxwell Biddle: Under "Web"
[11:42] Koni Lanzius: yea
[11:42] Koni Lanzius: where is that information?
[11:42] Rk Jinn: I have to leave early, but if anyone is looking for partners in that Next Gen Learning Grant. I'm 100% for and will be applying .
[11:42] Marie Kolache: pathfilder's been great at publicizing that
[11:42] Marie Kolache: pathfinder
[11:42] Pooky Amsterdam: pathfinder is great indeed
[11:43] Zeppo Romano: great idea
[11:43] Marie Kolache: http://becunningandfulloftricks.com/hypergrid-adventurers-club/
[11:44] Maxwell Biddle: It would be interesting to investigate the use of iPhone apps and mobile worlds ...
[11:44] Coyote Longfall: website is down at the moment - I will send a group notice if we get it back up - it may change. the old website URL was www.fourbridgesproject.org
[11:44] Kavon Zenovka: have to go - thank you - bye
[11:44] HVX Silverstar: cool
[11:44] Decka Mah shouts: http://vw-standards.wikispaces.com/Research+-+USB+OpenSim
[11:44] Gwenette Writer: FOUND IT! http://iliveisl.com/tag/opensim-on-flash-drive/
[11:44] Pooky Amsterdam: what kind of learnign curve do they need to do that?
[11:45] Marie Kolache: both Ener Hax at Iliveisl.com and PathFinder have written a lot about the USB stick OpenSim
[11:45] Maxwell Biddle: lol ... I can relate to that, Chico!
[11:45] Maxwell Biddle: BT, DT ...
[11:45] Decka Mah: Chico leaving as he will get locked inhis building
[11:45] Gwenette Writer: locked down with tech gear . . sounds ok???
[11:45] Decka Mah: we will have another meeting in 2 weeks time here
[11:45] Coyote Longfall: could we set up a google calendar? with meeting times and so on?
[11:45] Maxwell Biddle: Only if you can get pizza delivered!
[11:45] HVX Silverstar: heheheeh
[11:45] Decka Mah: oh and we had Japanese members who wanted to come
[11:45] Zeppo Romano: yes
[11:45] Coyote Longfall: good idea
[11:45] Ellie Brewster: yes
[11:45] Pooky Amsterdam: yes it si good
[11:46] Gwenette Writer: sleep highly overrrated . . YES to group
[11:46] Jass Easterman: okay - but can we make it later?
[11:46] Marie Kolache: i highly recommend pathfinder's hypergrid travel club -- he shows people how to travel around, takes them on visits of various grids
[11:46] Maxwell Biddle: I'm in except I'll be away on that date ...
[11:46] Alpha Yootz: Yes, sounds good
[11:46] Maxwell Biddle: And I DO back the idea of the Google calendar ...
[11:46] Pooky Amsterdam: that is great Marie - just ge tin contact with him for that?
[11:46] Pooky Amsterdam: are they weekly?
[11:47] Maxwell Biddle: as a performer, there IS no perfect time ... ...
[11:47] Marie Kolache: http://becunningandfulloftricks.com/hypergrid-adventurers-club/
[11:47] Koni Lanzius: can have two
[11:47] Marie Kolache: they've met twice so far
[11:47] Maxwell Biddle: Yes, Koni is right ...
[11:47] Decka Mah: reminded people that the Japanese people want to come too
[11:47] Maxwell Biddle: Have two meetings ...
[11:47] Maxwell Biddle: I got ht enotice from teh VW list ...
[11:47] Professor Noarlunga: I need an invite to the group...
[11:47] Jass Easterman: Midday for Australia is evening for US or morning for Eurpoe - a btter time for everyone around the world
[11:47] Maxwell Biddle: that would be another option ...
[11:47] Gwenette Writer: I can share with universities i know in Japand and Mexico and Spain . . .
[11:47] Maxwell Biddle: And I"ll be reportingthis back to the ACRL VW SIG ...
[11:47] Decka Mah: will send info about the group
[11:47] Marie Kolache: today's trip was from JokaydiaGrid (very popular with educators) to ReactionGrid (a very popular place with educators and companies) to FrancoGrid which is based in France
[11:48] Decka Mah: bye Chico
[11:48] Maxwell Biddle: Bye, Chico...thanks again!
[11:48] Maxwell Biddle: Very helpful
[11:48] HVX Silverstar: bye
[11:48] Maxwell Biddle: Get some sleep!
[11:48] Jass Easterman: thanks
[11:48] Koni Lanzius: thank you!
[11:48] Professor Noarlunga: waves!
[11:48] Coyote Longfall: goodnight
[11:48] Gwenette Writer: can we put the links from this meet in a single place on the website:)?
[11:48] Koni Lanzius: yes!
[11:48] Ellie Brewster: hear hear
[11:48] Pooky Amsterdam: The sum of the open grids will be greater than its parts
[11:48] Rosa Martino: Heippa
[11:48] Marie Kolache: bye bye
[11:48] Jass Easterman: almost 6am here - too late to go back to sleep
[11:48] Jass Easterman: lol
[11:48] Alpha Yootz: Thank you and bye...
[11:48] Pooky Amsterdam: what the opensims represent tohether is relaly hug
[11:48] HVX Silverstar: heeh
[11:48] Jass Easterman: good idea
[11:49] Jass Easterman: thanks Decka - good work
[11:49] Maxwell Biddle: lol ... yeah ... it's a lot of work, but HIGLY appreciate!
[11:49] Zeppo Romano: Thank you Decka
[11:49] Koni Lanzius: is anyoen having trouble logging into open sim?
[11:49] Koni Lanzius: i agree
[11:49] Professor Noarlunga: thanks....
[11:49] Coyote Longfall: agreed - the common comparison is SL=AOL as the Hypergrid= world wide web
[11:49] Marie Kolache: koni: after the recent round of upgrades, many grid coordinates changed.
[11:49] Coyote Longfall: from early days of the internet
[11:49] Maxwell Biddle: Good analogy, Coyote!
[11:49] Marie Kolache: koni: for example, OSGrid is now at login.osgrid.org:80
[11:49] Coyote Longfall: not mine I'm parroting
[11:49] Pooky Amsterdam: thank you
[11:49] Koni Lanzius: ahhhh
[11:51] Marie Kolache: Pathfinder;s USB article: http://becunningandfulloftricks.com/2010/10/07/a-virtual-world-in-my-hands-running-opensim-and-imprudence-on-a-usb-key/
[11:51] Koni Lanzius: wow
[11:51] Koni Lanzius: fasinating
[11:51] Marie Kolache: Tateru Nino has just created and put up a downloadable ZIP file that has everything pre-configured. http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/sim-on-a-stick/
[11:51] Koni Lanzius: did we get a Lm for that?
[11:52] Koni Lanzius: very kind of you!!
[11:52] Marie Kolache: i'm also getting positive reports from educators renting the $10 regions on OSGrid from New Voice -- not high concurrency, not to omany scripts, but a nice place to get started
[11:52] Koni Lanzius: thanks!
[11:52] Marie Kolache: and you can always upgrade to a host with better hardware and performance
[11:52] Gwenette Writer: low finacial risk ALWAYS good ahha
[11:52] Koni Lanzius: true
[11:53] Jass Easterman: yes, true
[11:53] Marie Kolache: remember to get plenty of OAR file backups from your hosting providers!
[11:53] HVX Silverstar: yes
[11:53] Koni Lanzius: thanks!
[11:53] Decka Mah: /offered you can use this island to meet about this topic if you need a place
[11:53] Koni Lanzius: hehe
[11:53] Maxwell Biddle is remembering all the code-sharing in the early Web days ...
[11:54] Ellie Brewster: agree
[11:54] Marie Kolache: full list of Opensim hosting providers, and their prices, is here: http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/opensim-hosting-providers/
[11:54] Koni Lanzius: ㋡
[11:54] Maxwell Biddle: And NON-PROPRIETARY!
[11:54] Maxwell Biddle: YIPPPPPEEEEEE!
[11:54] Coyote Longfall: I reeeaaally hope that the hypergrid catches on - I have something like 7 or 8 accounts in different grids, it will be nice to go wherever you want with one avatar
[11:54] HVX Silverstar: yes, mosaic
[11:54] Marie Kolache: hte top three are most recommended for educators and enterprises, all offering OAR backups
[11:54] Decka Mah: I missed who jsut said...so many worlds so little time
[11:54] Maxwell Biddle: What?! You dpn't code with "vi" .... *GRIN
[11:54] Coyote Longfall: I think it's inevitable
[11:54] Pooky Amsterdam: I think that is critical Coyote too
[11:54] Maxwell Biddle: *dont
[11:54] Koni Lanzius: yea!
[11:54] Decka Mah: Gwenette says this is manifesting our dreams
[11:54] Koni Lanzius: thats what makes the potential so great
[11:54] Coyote Longfall: ha me too
[11:55] Ellie Brewster: But also, has an effect on real world environment - ecology
[11:55] Koni Lanzius: Ahahaha! XD
[11:55] Maxwell Biddle: My wife? She's in here ... it's my Dean I have to convince!
[11:55] Gwenette Writer: well romancing the dean ummm maybe not??
[11:55] Koni Lanzius:
[11:55] Jass Easterman: Noone thinks I am working when I am here!!!
[11:55] Gwenette Writer: altho DEANs DO DREAM!!
[11:55] Maxwell Biddle: The T&P Committee isn't a problem, but the Dean is!
[11:55] Maxwell Biddle: lol
[11:55] Ellie Brewster: Energizing meeting. Gotta go, thanks so much everyone
[11:56] Maxwell Biddle: Well done!
[11:56] Jass Easterman: thanks Decka
[11:56] Koni Lanzius: thanks everyone
[11:56] Pooky Amsterdam: thank you
[11:56] Jass Easterman: bye
[11:56] Pooky Amsterdam: absolutely!
[11:56] Professor Noarlunga: thanks very much!
[11:56] Ellie Brewster: See you soon everyone
[11:56] HVX Silverstar: thank you! hope I can make the next meeting...
[11:56] Pooky Amsterdam: iClue?
[11:56] Maxwell Biddle: Hehe ... an iPod Touch?
[11:56] Maxwell Biddle: Some cool apps for the Metaverse there ...
[11:56] Decka Mah: uh huh
[11:57] Decka Mah: look up iSchool initiative
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Professor Noarlunga @ 88m
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: HVX Silverstar @ 89m
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Marie Kolache @ 89m
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Oronoque Westland @ 90m
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Pooky Amsterdam @ 90m
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Coyote Longfall @ 92m
[11:57] Ju Roussel: So maybe OS is not a solution?!
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Eloise Rodas stayed 81 minutes.
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Alpha Yootz stayed 88 minutes.
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Chico Bertone stayed 101 minutes.
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Betz Darwinian stayed 98 minutes.
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Kittie Ellison stayed 96 minutes.
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: alan Passerine stayed 95 minutes.
[11:57] Decka Mah: /looks sad that it isn’t Android too
[11:57] Koni Lanzius: great!
[11:57] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Joe Cupola stayed 90 minutes.
[11:57] Maxwell Biddle: The Web is The OS …
[11:57] Decka Mah: well yet
[11:57] Gwenette Writer: web browser enabled rather than standalone viewers will make a HUGE difference
[11:57] Maxwell Biddle: Not to worry…it will be on Android soon …
[11:57] HVX Silverstar: wow
[11:57] Maxwell Biddle: Android is catching up
[11:57] Jass Easterman: we had a very good discussion about that last week
[11:57] Koni Lanzius: wow
[11:57] Maxwell Biddle: (Thank heavens)
[11:58] Jass Easterman: Everyone said that the Milo demo wasn’t true
[11:58] Jass Easterman: Kinect
[11:58] HVX Silverstar: yes… medical community is interested in that
[11:58] Pooky Amsterdam: sounds wonderful
[11:58] HVX Silverstar: hahaha
[11:58] Jass Easterman: absolutely
[11:59] Maxwell Biddle: DOn’t laugh … porn has always been a great tech motivator …
[11:59] Jass Easterman: at the forefront!
[11:59] Maxwell Biddle: “Teh Intarewb is for Prøn!”
[11:59] Koni Lanzius: ok Bye Bye for now
[11:59] HVX Silverstar: thanks….
[11:59] Maxwell Biddle: (Seriuosly … historically! the printing press, VCRs … etc)
[11:59] Ju Roussel: Thank you!
[12:00] Jass Easterman: thanks
[12:00] Maxwell Biddle: Ta!
[12:00] Coyote Longfall: goodbye all
[12:00] Vladimir Dunner: thank you.
[12:00] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Ju Roussel stayed 92 minutes.
[12:00] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Koni Lanzius stayed 100 minutes.
[12:00] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Jass Easterman stayed 105 minutes.
[12:00] Marie Kolache: good bye!
[12:00] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Coyote Longfall stayed 4 minutes.
[12:00] Marie Kolache: oh, if anyone has questions — or wants to contribute a column — email me at maria@hypergridbusienss.com
[12:00] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Coyote Longfall @ 05m
[12:00] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Vladimir Dunner stayed 87 minutes.
[12:00] Zeppo Romano: Bye everyone
[12:00] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Coyote Longfall stayed 1 minutes.
[12:00] Maxwell Biddle: Bailing myself … more meetings this afternoon … g’bye all!
[12:00] Marie Kolache: maria@hypergridbusiness.com
[12:00] Pooky Amsterdam: oh that sounds lovely!
[12:00] Marie Kolache: helps if I spell that right
[12:00] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Zeppo Romano stayed 122 minutes.
[12:00] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Maxwell Biddle stayed 89 minutes.
[12:01] Pooky Amsterdam: thank you and hope to see you next week – I thinkt he regular meetings will serve this gorup well
[12:01] Pooky Amsterdam: group*
[12:01] Decka Mah: yeah Pooky
[12:01] HVX Silverstar: I will post the video in 10 minute parts on http://www.youtube.com/user/hvxsilverstar …. later today or early tomorrow SLT
[12:01] Decka Mah: 2 weeks I think
[12:01] Pooky Amsterdam: together the educators represent a formidable bunch
[12:01] Pooky Amsterdam: yaya
[12:01] Pooky Amsterdam: okies see you all soon
[12:01] Decka Mah: awesome HVX
[12:01] Decka Mah: that is great
[12:01] Pooky Amsterdam: ty HVX
[12:01] Pooky Amsterdam: and Gwenette!
[12:02] Pooky Amsterdam: <3
[12:02] Decka Mah: yeah Geenette too
[12:02] Pooky Amsterdam: and great tomeet you Marie
[12:02] HVX Silverstar: and in one piece on http://libraryfamous.blip.tv in the archive... creative commons: http://libraryfamous.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc
[12:02] Pooky Amsterdam: I have to go- talk soon!
[12:02] Marie Kolache: bye, pooky -- nice seeing you again!
[12:03] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Pooky Amsterdam stayed 7 minutes.
[12:03] Oronoque Westland: see everyone again soon
[12:03] Marie Kolache: bye all
[12:03] HVX Silverstar: bye all
[12:03] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Marie Kolache stayed 8 minutes.
[12:03] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Oronoque Westland stayed 8 minutes.
[12:03] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: HVX Silverstar stayed 8 minutes.
[12:05] Terra incognita <155, 96, 32> Relay: Professor Noarlunga stayed 10 minutes.
[12:06] Decka Mah: Biran Gould
[12:09] Second Life: Items successfully shared.
[12:10] Second Life: Items successfully shared.
[12:13] Gwenette Writer: thanks well that was a scam artist interesting scam ahha sooo creative they are:) ogg I go I will look for the tool:) Thanks for the meeting and please also post Travis’ iSchool Initiative if you could, His focus is on mobile apps, but vw will be mobile apps soon as many already are (Blue Mars is in the cloud soon for insytance, and Unity 3D) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68KgAcx_9jU talk to you soon:) and manymany mahalos for all your work:)
[12:13] Decka Mah: yw great to conenct see you next time

The following places were suggested at the BYOGrid Meeting on October 27, 2020.

• Avatar Marketplace;
• MyOpenSim Hypergrid Store Beta

Members Grids:

• New Zealand Virtual Worlds Grid
• Clemson University VWC Grid as part of the Virtual Worlds Consortium
• Coming soon Arcada University Grid
• Coming soon University of Southern Queensland Grid
• Members …Add your current or future grid here.

One of the main aims of the League of Worlds is to bring people together at every stage of their work and play. We literally want to join our worlds – hypergridding them – to enable us to keep in contact, collaborate and learn from each other.

Bring Your OpenSim Grid

This is a group of educational OpenSim gird owners who meet to share resources, knowledge, experiences and research related to the use of OpenSim grids in education.

Meeting dates

October 27 2010

The first meeting in progress

The first BYOG meeting was held in Terra Incognita in Second Life, aat 10:30 Second Life time, and drew attendees from Australia, New Zealand, Finland, the UK, and the USA, with apologies from avatars in Sweden and Japan. It was attended by almost thirty avatars, of whom twenty joined the new League of Worlds OS group in Second Life.

Records of the Meetings

October 27 2010
There is a lengthy Transcript of the 27-10-2010 Meeting available.

HVX Silverstar also posted the following in the SLED list on October 28:

For anyone who missed ‘The League of Worlds Bring Your Own Grid 1 Workshop,’ on Oct. 27th in SL, you can catch the last half of the workshop on YouTube in three 15 minute parts at:

Playlist: The League of Worlds: Bring your own Grid 1 Workshop: http://www.youtube.com/user/HVXSilverstar#grid/user/240EFDEC8E52F023

Or the individual videos:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNPVIuw8DSg
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Deae6Du2l9
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fexbaOJvkQ4

It is a mix of voice and chat.. mostly voice. So if you want to read the text, it is best to view it at 720p on a really good connection. I missed the first half of the session, so will look forward to the next meeting.

About two weeks ago, Linden Labs announced that the educational discount for universities and non-profit organisations renting space in Second Life would be abolished from the beginning of 2011. Later they amended this, but not in any way that changes what follows.

The initial reaction on the Second Life mailing list was horror and outrage. Interestingly this was not solely (or even mainly) about the financial implications, even those these were calamitous for many groups. The horror was more like a feeling of betrayal. There was also a sudden and extraordinary outburst of collective optimism.

One of the results of this was a sudden community-wide interest in OpenSim, the SL-compatible open source virtual worlds server that aims to be “the Apache of the 3D web”. And the realisation that if we explored OpenSim as a group, this would open up many new opportunities.

That is why we looked at our plans again, threw them out, and decided to hold League of Worlds BYOG1 in Second Life to look at these issues.

We intend to establish a league of virtual spaces whose creators are willing to link their spaces, and keen to debate the cultural and pedagogical issues behind these worlds, by experimenting within them. Theory through practice. In the first phase of this new adventure the emphasis will be on Second Life and OpenSim. In later phases the emphasis will be widened.

Everyone who is interested in bringing virtual worlds and spaces together; interested in learning by doing; and interested in developing theoretical frameworks to analyse what has been done, is very welcome to join us.

League of Worlds BYOG1 will be an intense onee hour in-world symposium held at Decka Mah’s venue, Spotter Square in Terra Incognita, at 18:30GMT on Wednesday October 27. Its goal will be to launch an initial configuration of an OpenSim League of like-minded simsters.

Our hope is that League of Worlds 6 will then be a real world gathering of members of the OpenSim League and those interested in hearing about it, and debating the issues raised by it.

The slurl for Spotter Square is http://slurl.com/secondlife/Terra%20incognita/157/108/33

The League of Worlds url is :www.leagueofworlds.com

[Update: this post was updated to reflect the changes in our thinking as we got nearer to holding the event. Initially we planned to organise something more like a conference. Later we realised that this would close rather than open up opportunities, and Lindy came up with the idea that you should Bring Your Own Grid.]

The League of Worlds began in 2004.

It started because a number of people at an Ed-Media conference in 2003 met in the bar and asked why the educational use of virtual worlds was not on the conference agenda.

We decided to hold our own conference, and we did: the next autumn in Helsinki. Since then we have held five conferences in different parts of the world, each one attracting forty or fifty people.

Now, however, the situation has changed. Virtual reality, virtual worlds, Second Life, are on almost every conference agenda, and there are a growing number of books being written and compiled on these topics. So why would we want to host our own conferences anymore, when we can go to other, larger, better organised conferences?

The answer is: we wouldn’t. At least not in the way we have done before. When we started, virtual worlds were a novelty; now they are all over the place. When we started most of the discussion was necessarily theoretical. Now there is no reason why it cannot be based in practical experience.

This autumn we plan on holding a very short and very intensive online symposium (probably in Second Life, with live streaming into Eve Online and The Sims). Our aim is to plan ways in which we can collaborate practically as well as theoretically. There are plenty of places where we can read papers. What we need now is a forum where we can share ideas that arise from our day-to-day practices, as they arise.

We are therefore going to spend a month or two tearing the site down and building it up again. Some of what you see here for the next few weeks may have gaps. We will fill the gaps later.

And probably sooner.